[FRA:] recent reading in critical theory

[chaney525]

So you say, but Susan Buck-Morss titled the book Negative Dialectics
and could easily have been referring to the theme which she elucidated:
their social relationship in those given circumstances.  You seem to
have a rather gross presupposition that trying to understanding reality
"necessitates" the occlusion of specific themes. Benjamin committed
suicide, hardly Xtian, eh, hardly relevant, eh?  When it comes to
understanding other's perspectives on significance in given
""circumstances"" why the repression, eh?  FredW

--- "stevedevos at krokodile.co.uk" <stevedevos at krokodile.co.uk> wrote:

> Fred,
> 
> That's not the relationship that is contained in the Benjamin/Adorno 
> letters,  in the letters it is quite apparant that they are very good
> 
> friends, who are trapped in social circumstances completely outside
> of 
> their control....
> 
> huuuum as for 'non-christian tone'  hardly a relevant phrase is it - 
> given the circumstances they were living through and their actual
> social 
> backgrounds.
> 
> best
> 
> steve
> 
> chaney525 wrote:
> 
> >I thought it was very clear that Benjamin needed Adorno's practical
> >help and did not get any.  I could be wrong, I could be projecting,
> but
> >it seems to me that Buck-Morss is pointing out that their
> relationship
> >was not that useful.  Also, calling it Negative, seemed to me to be
> a
> >reflection of the non-christian tone of their relationship, the
> moral
> >climate surrounding Benjamin, and the resulting tragedy.  Where
> there
> >was hope, there was nothing practical.  FredW
> >
> >--- Ralph Dumain <rdumain at igc.org> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Even though I just read this book, my memory has already faded. 
> But
> >>I 
> >>don't quite recognize what either of you fellows have suggested. 
> >>Benjamin 
> >>cozied up to Brecht, though he was far more esoteric a thinker, and
> >>Adorno 
> >>rejected Brecht's conception of art.  Does this entail "caught
> >>between"?  I 
> >>don't know exactly what this means.
> >>
> >>As for Adorno failing Benjamin, I don't know what this means, 
> >>either.  Benjamin seems to have been Adorno's major influence, but
> >>Adorno 
> >>objected to what he saw as Benjamin's lapses, which is also what he
> 
> >>objected to in surrealism: the lack of a theoretical mediation
> beyond
> >>the 
> >>description and juxtaposition of constellated phenomena.  Adorno
> >>would have 
> >>thought, I suppose, that Benjamin failed him.  But I don't quite
> know
> >>what 
> >>you are getting at.
> >>
> >>At 08:33 AM 4/27/2006 -0400, James Rovira wrote:
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Didn't Buck-Morss present Benjamin as caught between Brecht, the
> >>>doctrinaire communist, and Adorno, the critical theorist?  Or is
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>that
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Martin Jay?
> >>>
> >>>Jim R.
> >>>      
> >>>
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