Vs: Re: any result, lacanians - marxistphilosophy

[Ralph Dumain]

OK.  A friend of mine once coined the slogan: "US Out of America!"  And now 
it's more than metaphorical, with armed troops manning the subways of New York.

I hastily forwarded the Chomsky piece though it's off topic for this list 
as a makeshift response for the purposes of general orientation.  I was not 
up to the task of writing up my views of the purpose and efficacy of 
demonstrations in this day and age, and this one in particular.  Other 
organizations such as ANSWER and VoteNoWar have made their aims public.  I 
didn't pay much attention to the speakers; I was more interested in the 
crowd, participating in both the anti-war and anti-IMF marches.  Though I 
have a coat full of anti-war buttons, I think I have tacitly shifted my 
focus.  This time I bought a bunch of "Impeach Bush" buttons, plus one 
reading "Fuck Bush and His Fucking War" as a feelgood message.  My previous 
anti-Bush buttons were as popular with passersby (of a variety of 
demographic groups) as my anti-war buttons.  This new batch of buttons gets 
me the occasional compliment from strangers as well.

I thought about the effectiveness of demonstrations back in January 1991 
when I froze my nuts off in two national demos opposing the first Gulf 
War.  (I also participated in a small informal protest against the victory 
parade, which could have been dangerous, but I was only elbowed by a few 
patriotic Caucasian males and cussed at by some white women.)   In this 
case, however, I believe the protests made a big difference even though the 
Bush killers went ahead and did want they wanted.  And I think protests are 
necessary now, especially to influence public opinion, even though the 
victorious gangsters will still go ahead and do whatever they want until 
blowback, a worse wave of unemployment, and the collapse of the American 
economy.

At 09:49 AM 4/14/2003 +0300, Rauno Huttunen wrote:

>Mr Dumain, if you allowed me to answer,
>
>Jep. US should withdraw its troop and regime of 1968 should restore in 
>Iraq. In 1968 CIA organize a revolt or coup d'tat which caused that Saddam 
>received post of vice president. After that Saddam has been loyal lap-dog 
>for US until 1990.
>
>And further more US should withdraw its troops from Europe too and 
>mercifully give to Europe its true independence which is sovereignty in 
>defence affairs.
>
>
>Dr. Rauno Huttunen
>Department of Social Sciences and Philosophy
>University of Jyvskyl
>Finland
>
> >>> pcucumber@hotmail.com 04/13 7:04  >>>
>Dear Mr. Dumain, your reference to an anti-war protest has peaked my
>curiosity.  I understand, of course, what it is against; but I am
>curious what specifically it is in favor of.  Is it your opinion that
>the US should withdraw its troops at this particular moment, and permit
>the old regime to come back?
>
>
>PC



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