[Nomic] Summary of Proposals 2

[Carrie Oliver]

Okay, this seems to be the easiest way for me to respond to all that
has happened so far...


On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:33:45 +0100, John-Joseph Wilks
<j_jwilks@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The following proposals appear to exist, in these forms, and I believe these
> to be the votes people have cast on them, though I'm not bothering to list
> ones completely rewritten or with more than a couple of Nays.
> 
> 1. Remove all text after the word 'world' from Rule 3, List of Voters.
> 
> Ayes: Maz, JJ, Mike, Stumo, adam, Martin, dok
> Nays:
> 
Aye

> 2: Create a rule called the Rule of Handles, with the following text:
> There shall be a list of {real name, pseudonym} pairs; with one
> entry for each member of the List of Voters.  Initially the pseudonym entry
> in
> each pair will be unset.  At any time a player with an unset pseudonym
> may set their pseudonym to any legal string, provided that that string
> isn't lexically equivalent to any game entity, player's real name or
> player's pseudonym.  If a player has a non-null pseudonym set then
> their pseudonym and their real name may be used interchangably within
> the context of the game. This List shall be called the List of Handles.
> 
> Ayes: Maz, JJ, Mike, Madeleine, Martin, dok, Stumo, adam

Aye

> 
> 3. Create a rule called the Rule of Structured Names, with the following
> text:
> Each rule shall have a name that is a string of the form 'Rule X, Y'. In
> this string, X stands for an integer which is assigned to the rule when it
> is added to the ruleset and is one greater than the largest integer
> currently assigned to any rule. Y shall stand for any string of
> alphanumeric characters, spaces and punctuation which is distinct up to
> changes to case and spacing from the Y of any other rule in the rules.
> 
> X is assigned only when a rule is added to the rules; Y must be specified
> along with the text of the rule when it is first proposed. All rules, when
> referring to other rules, must use the full name of the rule in question,
> excepting the following case: Where a rule is still a proposal, it may be
> referred to only by its alphanumeric designator Y. If that rule is then
> adopted, the gamestate shall be modified so that all references to that rule
> reference the full name instead.
> When this rule is brought into effect, the names of all existing rules shall
> be modified to bring them into line with this format.
> 
> Ayes: Maz, JJ, Mike, Madeleine, Stumo, adam, Martin, dok
> Nays:

Aye

> 
> 4. The Law of Lizardmen. This is a pair of linked suggestions taking one the
> following form:
> The Rule of Autoadoption:
> 
> Any entities which are elegible to be members of the List of Voters
> may join the game providing that the following conditions are satisfied:
> 1) They have subscribed to the mailing list (if there is one).
> 2) They are not already in the List of Voters.
> 3) They have made a post to the mailing list declaring that:
> a) All of 1-3 are satisfied.
> b) They are not a lizardman from Antares IV.
> c) They wish to join the game.
> Once these events have happened then they are added to the List of
> Voters, and are deemed to have joined the game.  Their consent is not
> needed on any issues that require consent that are under consideration
> at the time of their joining the game.
> 
> A Planet? Where Lizards evolved from Men?
> All entities eligible to be members of the List Of Voters (Which shall be
> all living extranomic entities of the species Homo Sapiens Sapiens) shall be
> considered to be lizardmen from Antares IV until a member of the List Of
> Voters states "I do not believe <name of entity> is a lizardman from
> Antares IV", where "<name of entity>" is to be replaced with the name of the
> entity in question. No existing member of the List Of Voters is a lizardman
> from Antares IV.
> 
> Ayes: Martin, adam, Maz, JJ
> 

Aye (I like this rule, its fun)

> 5. The Rule of Assumed Consent
> The current form of this is as follows:
> A player shall be considered to have given their consent to a proposal if
> the following are true:
> The proposal was suggested more than 72 hours ago, and they haven't
> explicitly expressed a lack of consent.
> Ayes: Maz, JJ

Aye (In the interst of keeping the game moving, people are unlikly to
forget to object, only to give their consent)

> 
> 6: The Law of Lexicography
> There shall be a dictionary, called the Definitions Dictionary, which
> shall be kept up-to-date with all game terms.  The definitions given
> in the definitions dictionary superceed the usual english meaning of
> terms; but are overriden by explicit rules wording.
> 
> Ayes: Maz, Mike, Madeleine, Stumo, Martin
> Not well enough defined: JJ, adam
> 

Hmmm... I quite like this rule as I tend to get confused by terms and
a dictinary would help alot. But I see lots of problems with the way
this rule is defined so I shall join the "Not well enough defined"
list, though I agree with the idea.

> 7:The Existence of the Council
> There shall exist the Great Council of the Elder Turtles, which shall
> contain a number of Posts. Each Post shall consist of a Title, which can be
> assigned a member of the List of Voters, and a list of duties which the
> member holding that Post should perform. Failure on the part of that member
> to perform these duties shall make them guilty of the crime of
> 
> (This proposal has been reworded to remove some of the objections)
> 
> Aye: JJ
> Withheld: Maz, Stumo, Martin
> Nay: ahdok (But surely we're going to need some way to assign things to
> people? ed.)
> 
Aye

> 8: The 'Exception that proves the' Rule:
> A rule may override another rule if and only if it mentions that rule by
> name. The only exception is this rule, which overrides all others,
> except those which mention it by name.
> 
> Ayes: Maz, JJ, Martin, adam, dok
> 

Was there not an objection along the lines of: this allows a rule to
override another by mentioning it even though this maynot be
necessary? If this is reworded to cover this I shall agree

> 9: Alter the text of Rule 4, Concensus of Opinion from:
> A Consensus of Opinion on a particular change to the rules exists when one
> entity named on the List of Voters proposes the change to all other entities
> named on the List of Voters and obtains unambiguous consent to that change
> from each such entity.
> to:
> A Consensus of Opinion on a particular issue exists when one entity named on
> the List of Voters makes a proposal describing the issue to all other
> entities named on the List of Voters, obtains unambiguous consent to that
> proposal from each such entity and then posts a public Notice of Consensus
> to the other members detailing the issue upon which Consensus of Opinion has
> been reached.
> 
> Ayes: JJ, dok, adam, Mike, Stumo, Martin, Maz
> 

Aye

> 10: Create a rule as follows, called the Rule of Girls:
> Notices of Consensus are considered to be printed on coloured paper. Any
> electronic document purporting to be a Notice of Consensus is only deemed to
> be so if it clearly describes what colour paper it is printed on.
> 
> Ayes: dok, JJ, adam, Mike, Martin, Maz
> 

Aye, aye, aye. I totally agree with this.


> 11: The Rule of Self-Image
> The game shall have a name, which shall be "Terrapin Nomic".
> 
> Ayes: JJ, adam, dok, Mike, Martin

Nay, I don't like that name. Although I might be persuade to change my
mind if nothing better comes along.

> 
> 12: Create a rule named The Rule of Conflict with the following text:
> If a Judgement Procedure as defined by the rules determines that two or more
> rules are in conflict and that it it not clear from the rules which of them
> should take precedence, the entity which initiated that Judgement Procedure
> may create and publically present a Conflict Resolution Roadmap.
>   A Conflict Resolution Roadmap is a document which describes changes to the
> rules intended solely to remove the conflict in question. Once a CRR has
> been presented, the changes it describes will take effect on the rules. Any
> changes described by a Conflict Resolution Roadmap which have effects other
> than to resolve the conflict the Roadmap was created to address will not be
> applied and the creator of the Roadmap will be guilty of the crime of
> Deviousness.
> 
> Ayes: JJ, dok, adam, Mike, Stumo, Martin
> 

Aye

> 13: Create a rule named And There Shall Be No Lizardmen, with the following
> text:
> Any entity which is a member of the List of Voters may cause itself to be
> immediately removed from the List of Voters by publically announcing itself
> to be a lizardman from Antares IV. The entity in question is encouraged to
> use this opportunity to mock the puny humans for their pathetic inability to
> see the truth until it was too late.
> 
> Ayes: JJ, dok, adam, Mike, Stumo, Martin
> 

Aye

> 14: The Law of Total Annihilation
> "Should thirteen paradoxes be discovered to exist simultaneously, the nomic
> game ends, and the voters must lament having destroyed the universe by
> trying to be too clever."
> 
> Ayes: dok
> Nay: JJ (pending description of how a paradox is actually defined,
> especially whether you want it to be only within the rules)

Aye.

> 
> 15: Create a rule named Keeping Up With the Nomeses, with the following
> text:
> There shall be a role entitled "Data Integrity Consultant" to be filled by a
> member of the List of Voters, who is to investigate an automatic on-line
> method of storing and cataloguing Proposals, Counter-Proposals and Consent. 
> This role can later be incorporated into a Committee post if such a body is
> created.
> 
> Ayes: JJ, Mike, Stumo, dok
> 

Aye (as long as its not me, to be fair I would be of little use in that role)

> 16: I'm Not a Window Cleaner
> The entity Mike Cripps shall be the first holder of the role of Data
> Integrity Consultant, and shall be immediately appointed to that role if it
> exists when this rule is passed, assuming in both cases that the entity Mike
> Cripps is a member of the List of Voters
> 
> Ayes: JJ, Mike, Stumo, dok
> 

Aye

> 17: I propose that I just lost "The Game"
> Ayes: Stumo, Maz, JJ
> 

Aye

> 18: On the Numbering of Proposals
> Each proposal shall be numbered by its proposer. These numbers shall be
> sequential integers beginning from 1 for the first proposal after this rule.
> Counter-proposals to a proposal N should be numbered Na, Nb, Nc etc.
> 
> Nay: adam (on the basis that two proposals may be cross-posted with the same
> number. Workaround counterproposals are invited)
> 
> 
Nay. Couldn't there be someone on the concil (if this come into being)
those role it is to number the rules?

Okay, that should do it. 

Luv Carrie


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