[FRA:] Marcuse question

[Ralph Dumain]

This is too disgusting for words.  Makes you kinda wonder why some people 
are interested in the Frankfurt School?  Maybe there's a reason why 
DIALECTIC OF ENLIGHTENMENT is their mecca?

On neotraditionalism, see:

Mark Sedgwick. Against the Modern World: Traditionalism and the Secret 
Intellectual History of the Twentieth Century. Oxford; New York: Oxford 
University Press, 2004.

It's in my bibliography:

Occultism, Eastern Mysticism, Fascism, & Countercultures: Selected 
Bibliography
http://www.autodidactproject.org/bib/holism2.html

At 09:11 AM 2/23/2006 -0500, James Rovira wrote:
>Fred -- I haven't said anything like this about the war.  This is a very
>dumb conversation.  Once you start saying Democratic Party candidates aren't
>"really Democrats" I don't think we have much to talk about anymore.  It is
>the parties that are the real constants in US politics, not any specific
>candidates, and both parties have contributed a great deal to the current
>mess we're in. Bush will be out of office in two years.  We'll see what
>happens then.  I think the midterm election this year will be pretty
>revealing and the Republicans are in real danger of losing one of the houses
>of Congress, if the Democrats are so dumb as to shoot themselves in the
>foot.  Right now, I don't feel a great deal of affinity for either party.
>
>Ralph -- I identified the site as "neotraditionalist."  I don't know quite
>what you mean by "reactionary."  If you mean fascist, that's wrong: the
>point of view advocated on the site is for strong local communities, not a
>strong central government embodied in a central, male leader that serves as
>a national fetish (that is how fascism really worked in the 20th century).
>Russian communes at the time of the revolution supporting a relatively weak
>central government is closer to this ideal than anything else we've seen in
>the 20th cent.  But, that didn't last long.
>
>Enlightenment values have produced this society of individual consumers that
>demand wars to keep prices low.
>
>Enlightenment values followed to their natural trajectory end in fascism,
>Ralph. I think that's part of Adorno's argument in _Jargon of Authenticity_
>-- in it, Adorno was critiquing Heideggerian existentialism as a centerless
>form of individualism that, by leaving a vacuum in the center, made Germany
>susceptible to fascism.  Marx's _The German Ideology_, furthermore, is
>pretty critical of Max Stirner (Sancho) -- whatever Marx thought about
>individualism, I don't think he thought much of "autonomous" individualism.
>There's simply no such thing.
>
>Jim R.