Logic of identity

[grok]

On Thu, 2003-04-17 at 09:31, matthew piscioneri wrote:

> Grok,
> 
> someone's awake.
> 
> >How thoroughly un-dialectical.
> >
> >Never ceases to amaze me that the petit-bourgeois mind simply cannot
> >grasp that universals and particulars are not mutually exclusive.
> 
> >-- grok.
> 
> Still sounds like a recipe for fascism to me. Let's make an omelette shall 
> we.

Breaking stalinist eggs, are we?

What you don't seem to grasp is that 'bad' universals (capitalist profit
motive, patriarchy, etc.) are ALWAYS ALREADY with us. You've got your
'fascism' no matter WHICH way you turn. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
special about the crimes (real, apparent or not) of the communist
project. The thing has always been to AVOID these traps -- something all
previous social orders could absolutely never do, being wholly
unconscious of their true material reality.

The specious point you make out of all this is: these 'universals'
('totalizing' whatnots for the PoMoz, I suppose) are INHERENTLY against
precious individual needs.

However, it seems it would never naturally occur to you that, in fact,
the installation of a universal order which materially FREES people from
basic slave-like relations of deprivation and want, would *actually free
individuals to pursue goals they would not otherwise be able to follow*.




>  OK. For the universal of democracy I'll give you 8000 lives in Iraq. 
> Apparently in the VIETnam war it was about 2 to 3 million lives. Can your 
> grande-bourgeois mind take this into account?

Are you taking the capitalist liars at face value? In whose books are
these criminals fighting for Peace & Democracy?

Another straw man. Bogus.

And I take offence at being characterized as bourgeois, even in jest.
YOU OTOH, have expressed VERY CLEARLY petit-bourgeois thought processes;
so I can honestly and accurately characterize you that way. This is not
one of those 'mirror' situations where one party tries to 'save face' by
smearing the other party with the same shit...



> 
> Actually I have never met either a universal or a particular. So I don't 
> know what I am talking about.

On that, we can both agree.

But seriously: nothing characterizes the bourgeois mentality more than
its inability to properly place abstract thinking in its proper
materialist context.

It AIN'T 'either/or' brother. 





-- grok.




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