Logic of identity

[bob scheetz]

matt, you say

> I still came up with the same things. To play devil's advocate in good
faith
> ;-). Who and where are these mythic suffering proles? How can either you
or
> I (anyone) feel certain enough to say what another "really" wants,
desires,
> envisages?
>
> I'll be rash. In a bourgeois liberal democratic capitalist society like
> yours and mine I reckon what the "masses" (who are they?)want is MORE.
More
> money, more toys, more recreation. And I am guessing this on a numerical
> basis. of course most people have some sort of affective
> social/emotional/existential orientation as well. But not to the extent
> they'll give up the two or three rungs on the ladder they have managed
thus
> far.

and of course the answers to your questions are trite and elementary and
immemorial; and therefore without any flash in the marketplace.  so you can
easily afford your contempt.
...but anyway:
There are producers, and those who consume without producing. Have you eyes
and live in this world? of all things, how mystification on this, "mythic
suffering proles",  head?
and  i can speak coz i alas (and antecedants) am of the former (like
ralphie, only a amateur philosopher).
Secondly, a "mass-ified" producer/prole is indeed a debasement, a
lotus-eater; and it's only more of bourgeois social scientism in the coz of
class war  (as twere,...a malicious lie, speciality of your leader, gary,
eh?)  to reduce the subjectivity to its putri-fraction however numerically
imposing.

as for where i come from, ...you know the boss, so you know youngstown,
...empire has abandoned us this "hundred yrs" for sunnier climes; and tho
the lowest grade bld pol jackals are still battened on our pitifully
diminished flesh, there are indeed indications of the possibility of
something

but this has got tejus? only, one has to stand up for his identity and
antecedents, no?

what's a "wannamacca"?

:-)
bob



----- Original Message -----
From: "matthew piscioneri" <mpiscioneri@hotmail.com>
To: <frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: Logic of identity


> Funnily enough I was doing just this today:
>
> >Maybe you and adorno should examine your socialist consciences, eh?
>
> Running through the thread of our discussion in my head re:philistinism,
> authenticity, possibilities.
>
> I still came up with the same things. To play devil's advocate in good
faith
> ;-). Who and where are these mythic suffering proles? How can either you
or
> I (anyone) feel certain enough to say what another "really" wants,
desires,
> envisages?
>
> I'll be rash. In a bourgeois liberal democratic capitalist society like
> yours and mine I reckon what the "masses" (who are they?)want is MORE.
More
> money, more toys, more recreation. And I am guessing this on a numerical
> basis. of course most people have some sort of affective
> social/emotional/existential orientation as well. But not to the extent
> they'll give up the two or three rungs on the ladder they have managed
thus
> far.
>
> Maybe we mix in different circles. There must be more peace and love where
> you are.
>
> >It certainly appears religion/art/story/history  have come to an end
> >for bourgeois.
>
> Surlely it was only ever available to aesthetes like Adorno and Benjamin.
Do
> you wanna macca?
>
> To get back to "socialist consciences" the upshot of today's little
revelry
> was to have a giggle at my socialist pretensions. I couldn't even give a
> satisfactory explanantion of what it would mean to be a socialist.
>
> Yours in liberatory pessimism,
>
> MattP
>
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