[Nomic] Summary

David (Birch) nomic-talk at srcf.ucam.org
Thu Sep 23 20:29:01 2004


JJ: We agreed earlier that any word not defined in the game has it's=20
meaning from the english language. If you want me to, I will define=20
"paradox" to have the meaning it does it the OED... I'll also add to that=
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list "list, that, to, add, also, the, in, does, it, meaning, have, define,=
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will, I, me, want, you, if, language, english, from, meaning, is, has,=20
game, defined, not, word, any, agreed, earlier, we, and and happy." Happy?




On Sep 23 2004, John-Joseph Wilks wrote:

> The following have been added to the ruleset, and should be updated onto=
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> the website ASAP:
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> All text after the word 'world' should be removed from Rule 3, List of=20
> Voters.
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> The first 4 Rules should be updated to the format 'Rule X, Y'
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> 'Rule 5, The Rule of Handles' should be added, with the following text:=
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> There shall be a list of {real name, pseudonym} pairs; with one entry for=
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> each member of the List of Voters.=A0 Initially the pseudonym entry in ea=
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> pair will be unset.=A0 At any time a player with an unset pseudonym may s=
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> their pseudonym to any legal string, provided that that string isn't=20
> lexically equivalent to any game entity, player's real name or player's=
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> pseudonym.=A0 If a player has a non-null pseudonym set then their pseudon=
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> and their real name may be used interchangably within the context of the=
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> game. This List shall be called the List of Handles.
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> 'Rule 6, The Rule of Structured Names' should be added, with the=20
> following text: Each rule shall have a name that is a string of the form=
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> 'Rule X, Y'. In this string, X stands for an integer which is assigned to=
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> the rule when it is added to the ruleset and is one greater than the=20
> largest integer currently assigned to any rule. Y shall stand for any=20
> string of alphanumeric characters, spaces and punctuation which is=20
> distinct up to changes to case and spacing from the Y of any other rule=
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> in the rules. X is assigned only when a rule is added to the rules; Y=20
> must be specified along with the text of the rule when it is first=20
> proposed. All rules, when referring to other rules, must use the full=20
> name of the rule in question, excepting the following case: Where a rule=
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> is still a proposal, it may be referred to only by its alphanumeric=20
> designator Y. If that rule is then adopted, the gamestate shall be=20
> modified so that all references to that rule reference the full name=20
> instead. When this rule is brought into effect, the names of all existing=
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> rules shall be modified to bring them into line with this format.
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> Alter the text of Rule 4, Concensus of Opinion from: A Consensus of=20
> Opinion on a particular change to the rules exists when one entity named=
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> on the List of Voters proposes the change to all other entities named on=
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> the List of Voters and obtains unambiguous consent to that change from=20
> each such entity. to: A Consensus of Opinion on a particular issue exists=
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> when one entity named on the List of Voters makes a proposal describing=
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> the issue to all other entities named on the List of Voters, obtains=20
> unambiguous consent to that proposal from each such entity and then posts=
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> a public Notice of Consensus to the other members detailing the issue=20
> upon which Consensus of Opinion has been reached.
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> Therefore, the following proposals have received unanimous support and=20
> are awaiting Notice of Consensus before they can be passed into the=20
> ruleset:
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> > 12: Create a rule named The Rule of Conflict with the following text:=
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> > If a Judgement Procedure as defined by the rules determines that two or=
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> > more rules are in conflict and that it it not clear from the rules=20
> > which of them should take precedence, the entity which initiated that=
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> > Judgement Procedure may create and publically present a Conflict=20
> > Resolution Roadmap.
> >  A Conflict Resolution Roadmap is a document which describes changes=20
> > to the rules intended solely to remove the conflict in question. Once a=
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> > CRR has been presented, the changes it describes will take effect on=20
> > the rules. Any changes described by a Conflict Resolution Roadmap which=
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> > have effects other than to resolve the conflict the Roadmap was created=
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> > to address will not be applied and the creator of the Roadmap will be=
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> > guilty of the crime of Deviousness.
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> >
> > 13: Create a rule named And There Shall Be No Lizardmen, with the=20
> > following text: Any entity which is a member of the List of Voters may=
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> > cause itself to be immediately removed from the List of Voters by=20
> > publically announcing itself to be a lizardman from Antares IV. The=20
> > entity in question is encouraged to use this opportunity to mock the=20
> > puny humans for their pathetic inability to see the truth until it was=
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> > too late.
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> >Ayes: JJ, dok, adam, Mike, Stumo, Martin
> >
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> I believe those are both adam's proposals.
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> >4. The Law of Lizardmen. This is a pair of linked suggestions taking one=
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> >the following form:
> >The Rule of Autoadoption:
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> >Any entities which are elegible to be members of the List of Voters
> >may join the game providing that the following conditions are satisfied:
> >1) They have subscribed to the mailing list (if there is one).
> >2) They are not already in the List of Voters.
> >3) They have made a post to the mailing list declaring that:
> >a) All of 1-3 are satisfied.
> >b) They are not a lizardman from Antares IV.
> >c) They wish to join the game.
> >Once these events have happened then they are added to the List of
> >Voters, and are deemed to have joined the game.=A0 Their consent is not
> >needed on any issues that require consent that are under consideration
> >at the time of their joining the game.
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> > A Planet? Where Lizards evolved from Men? All entities eligible to be=
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> > members of the List Of Voters (Which shall be all living extranomic=20
> > entities of the species Homo Sapiens Sapiens) shall be considered to be=
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> > lizardmen from Antares IV until a member of the List Of Voters states=
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> > "I do not believe <name of entity> is a lizardman from Antares IV",=20
> > where "<name of entity>" is to be replaced with the name of the entity=
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> > in question. No existing member of the List Of Voters is a lizardman=20
> > from Antares IV.
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> >Ayes: Martin, adam, Maz, JJ, Carrie, Madeleine, dok
> >
> >
> > 5. The Rule of Assumed Consent The current form of this is as follows:=
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> > A player shall be considered to have given their consent to a proposal=
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> > if the following are true: The proposal was suggested more than 72=20
> > hours ago, and they haven't explicitly expressed a lack of consent.=20
> > Ayes: Maz, JJ, Carrie, dok
> >
> >6: The Law of Lexicography (reworded
> There shall be a dictionary, called the Definitions Dictionary.=A0 The
> definitions given in the Definitions Dictionary superceed the usual
> English meaning of terms for the purposes of the game; but are
> overriden by explicit rules wording.
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> >Ayes: Maz, Mike, Madeleine, Stumo, Martin, JJ
> >Not yet responded to the change: adam, Carrie, dok
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> > 7:The Existence of the Council There shall exist the Great Council of=
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> > the Elder Turtles, which shall contain a number of Posts. Each Post=20
> > shall consist of a Title, which can be assigned a member of the List of=
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> > Voters, and a list of duties which the member holding that Post should=
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> > perform. Failure on the part of that member to perform these duties=20
> > shall make them guilty of the crime of Uselessness
> >
> >(This proposal has been reworded to remove some of the objections)
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> >Aye: JJ, dok, Carrie
> >Withheld: Maz, Stumo, Martin, Madeleine
> >
> >8: The 'Exception that proves the' Rule:
> >A rule may override another rule if and only if it mentions that rule by
> >name. The only exception is this rule, which overrides all others,
> >except those which mention it by name.
> >
> >Ayes: Maz, JJ, Martin, adam, dok, Madeleine
> Withheld: Carrie (based on uncertainty about the matter of rules merely=
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> referencing others rather than explicitly overriding them)
> >
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> > 10: Create a rule as follows, called the Rule of Girls: Notices of=20
> > Consensus are considered to be printed on coloured paper. Any=20
> > electronic document purporting to be a Notice of Consensus is only=20
> > deemed to be so if it clearly describes what colour paper it is printed=
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> > on.
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> >Ayes: dok, JJ, adam, Mike, Martin, Maz, Carrie, Madeleine
> >
> >11: The Rule of Self-Image
> >The game shall have a name, which shall be "Terrapin Nomic".
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> >Ayes: JJ, adam, dok, Mike, Martin, Madeleine, Maz
> Nay: Carrie
> >
> >
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> >14: The Law of Total Annihilation
> >"Should thirteen paradoxes in the rules be discovered to exist=20
> >simultaneously, the nomic game ends, and the voters must lament having=
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> >destroyed the universe by trying to be too clever."
> >
> >Ayes: dok, Carrie, Madeleine
> >Nay: JJ (pending description of how a paradox is actually defined)
> >
> >
> > 15: Create a rule named Keeping Up With the Nomeses, with the following=
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> > text: There shall be a role entitled "Data Integrity Consultant" to be=
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> > filled by a member of the List of Voters, who is to investigate an=20
> > automatic on-line method of storing and cataloguing Proposals,=20
> > Counter-Proposals and Consent.=A0 This role can later be incorporated=
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> > into a Committee post if such a body is created.
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> >Ayes: JJ, Mike, Stumo, dok, Carrie, Madeleine, Maz
> >
> >
> > 16: I'm Not a Window Cleaner The entity Mike Cripps shall be the first=
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> > holder of the role of Data Integrity Consultant, and shall be=20
> > immediately appointed to that role if it exists when this rule is=20
> > passed, assuming in both cases that the entity Mike Cripps is a member=
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> > of the List of Voters
> >
> >Ayes: JJ, Mike, Stumo, dok, Carrie, Madeleine, Maz
> >
> >17: I propose that I just lost "The Game"
> >Ayes: Stumo, Maz, JJ, Carrie, Madeleine
> >
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> 18: A lemon? Already? The member of the List of Voters "Carrie Oliver"=20
> shall redefine the meanings of "aye" and "nay" as she sees fit at=20
> midnight each day. Members of the List of Voters have the right to=20
> request the meanings of "yay" and "nay" from Carrie Oliver, and in=20
> return, she has the right to set simple tasks (such as "deliver this=20
> plank") that must be accomplished before said information is given.=20
> Should Carrie Olvier give contradictory information to different members=
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> of the List of Voters, she shall be guilty of the crime of "Extreme=20
> Naughtiness" for 24 hours starting at the point of discovery of the=20
> deception.
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> (note: Voters do not, of course, need to use these particular words to=20
> vote unambiguously, and may instead use "urk" and "whoopee!" or any other=
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> such words, so long as their intent is clear.)
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> Proposer: dok
> Aye: JJ
> Nay: Mike
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> 19: The Feathers rule. Any player found quilty of the crime of "Extreme=
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> Naughtiness" is punishable by the punishment of tickling, and may be=20
> punished by any member of the List of Voters. The punishment may be=20
> administered at any time during the period that the person guilty of=20
> extreme naughtiness is defined to be guilty for. No member of the List of=
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> Voters may punish the guilty party more than once during the same period=
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> of guilt.
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> Proposer: dok
> Aye: JJ
> Nay: Mike
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